Zai yiwu wani abu da mutane da yawa suka yi mamaki, musamman lokacin farawa a cikin Linux ba wai kawai ba wane tsarin sarrafa kunshin ya fi kyau amma kuma, abin da marufi ya fi kyau.
Bawai ina nufin in fadi wanne ne yafi kyau ba, kawai don nemo banbancin dake tsakanin .deb da .rpm. Kuma tabbas na wahala, tunda ban sami bambance-bambance da yawa ba.
Hakanan akwai wasu fakitin tsiraru, da kuma kwando.
Dukansu ɗakunan ajiya ne waɗanda ke ƙunshe da fakitoci, suna, sigar, abin dogaro, kuma, a cikin .deb, fakitin da aka bada shawara. A baya a .rpm, akwai fasali: yayin sabunta software, fayilolin sanyi an bar su cikakke ko adana su, yanzu haka suna aiwatar da .deb.
Abinda na samu shine cewa debs sun fi saurin neman abin dogaro kuma .rpm, gabaɗaya, nemi ƙarin abubuwan dogaro (aƙalla, bana ba da shawarar yin shi ba tare da layi ba da kuma neman abin dogaro ɗaya bayan ɗaya, ya faru da ni da OpenSUSE)
Dukansu suna ba ku damar sabunta tsarin, bincika buƙatun, girka / cirewa, bincika masu dogaro da ƙari. Sun saukaka mana rayuwa. Amma a zurfin menene ainihin bambancin su?
Babu mai dacewa. Dukansu suna aiki da manufa ɗaya.
LSB yana gabatar da RPM a matsayin mizani, amma zaiyi matukar wahala ga Debian, Ubuntu da dangoginsu su canza zuwa tsarin kunshin.
Akwai bambance-bambance da yawa a cikin hanyar gina su, alal misali, a rpm duk bayanin aikin gini an bayyana shi a cikin takaddun bayanan, yayin da a cikin bashi aka raba galibi zuwa fayiloli biyu, sarrafawa da dokoki.
A cikin debs tare da fayil ɗin sarrafawa zaku iya samun abubuwan dogaro da za a lissafa muku, yayin da a cikin rpm dole ne ku san su tukunna kuma ku sanya su da hannu (wannan yana da wahala da haɗari).
A cikin debs akwai hanyoyi da yawa don ƙirƙirar su: debuild, pbuilder, da dai sauransu; tare da rpm kamar yadda na sani akwai guda ɗaya.
Sannan makasudin ƙarshe shine daidai: ƙirƙirar kunshin kunshe ko kunshin shirin tare da wasu rubutun inda aka bayyana hanyar da za'a sanya duk fayilolin shirin akan tsarin. Kada mu manta cewa manufa daya ce kamar masu shigar Windows da Mac, babu sauran asiri.
A cikin Debian akwai yiwuwar kara yawan shirye-shirye, yayin da a cikin Mandriva (alal misali) wannan yanayin ba haka yake ba. Gaskiyar ita ce, yawaita abubuwa ba lallai ba ne, kuma zunuban Debian na amfani da shi da yawa.
Wanne ya fi kyau? Babu kuma duka, tunda komai ya dogara ne akan ƙimar marubucin fiye da hanyar marufi.
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Ina tsammanin tabbas yakamata a sami daidaitacce, ko dai rpm ko deb
Na zabi bashin, saboda ina tsammanin shine mafi shahara kuma ana amfani dashi, amma duk abin da yake zai zama mai kyau, muddin ya kasance na musamman ne kuma na duniya, don sanya shigar da sabbin shirye-shirye a cikin kowane ɓarna mai sauƙi ga sababbin masu amfani (Babu wata hanya, galibinsu zasu zo daga taga $) wanda za'ayi amfani da shi wajen «shigar da sau biyu a kan fayil ɗin ***. Exe».
Ina ganin yakamata a kirkiro sabo wanda zai dace da duka biyun. Misali, fayil mai sauƙi tare da bayanin da ke watsa shi ga manajan kunshin kuma yana bin umarni, tattarawa ko bincika kan sabar ko cikin gida cikin aikin.
Na yarda da Alxe. Ya kamata a sami daidaitaccen aikin OpenSource don kowane tsarin ko dandamali, gami da manajan kunshin da ke akwai.
Nasara zata kasance cikin mai girkawa mai sauƙi wanda ke gyara maka matsalar dogara da kai tsaye. Mafi karancin abin da ya kamata mu damu da shi shi ne girka wani shiri, da ƙari game da aikin da muke yi da wannan shirin.
Gaba ɗaya sun yarda. Game da aikin da ya dace da duka, kuma, gaskiyar.
Cristobal, godiya ga bayanan.
Shin kun ji labarin conary?
http://wiki.rpath.com/conary
Idan nace muku ban taba amfani da debi ko rpms ba? XD
Da kyau, kimanin shekaru biyar da suka gabata na yi amfani da RedHat da SuSE na 'yan watanni, amma da kyar na rikice tare da fakitin. : D
Na fi tallafawa DEB, kodayake ba ni da komai game da RPM, wataƙila saboda na fi samun kwarewa ne a kan debi fiye da rpm.
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@zodman: A halin yanzu babu rubutu a wannan shafin, kuna iya bincika taken wannan shafin a wasu shafuka ko shirya wannan shafin.
@insengrin: kuma yanzu kun tattara komai? Oo
Ba na tsammanin haka, da wuya na taɓa amfani da .rpm
Na yi amfani da Suse tsawon shekaru, kuma na gwada Mandrake, amma a ƙarshe na ƙare a kan Debian, kuma kuna iya cewa, tun da na yi amfani da duka tsarin (rpm da deb), waɗanda suke da sauri don girka rpm, ina ganin dole ne saboda irin matsewar da suke amfani da ita, sannan kuma rpm's suna da fasalin da ba zan iya samu a cikin debs ba, kuma hakan shine suna nuna ranar da aka kirkiri kunshin da kuma sunan mai jaka, kafin su ma sun bambanta cewa sun kawo tsarin sarrafawa ta hanyar sa hannu kuma ina tsammanin debs basa yi. A gefe guda kuma, lokacin da na canza zuwa Debian (Na kuma yi amfani da Kubuntu) tare da tsarin marufinsa, na manta da matsalolin dogaro, amma ban sani ba shin wannan ya samo asali ne daga tsarin kunshin ko rarraba kansa, abin shine a wurina babu sauran zaɓuka zuwa Debian kuma ...
PS: Akwai wani shiri mai suna Alien http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(aplicación), wanda ke ba ka damar sauya fakitoci daga wannan tsari zuwa wancan, gabaɗaya yana aiki sosai, kodayake da wuya muke buƙatar amfani da shi.
Da kyau ... batun yana da faɗi, amma na faɗi mai zuwa, Ni daga Jamhuriyar Dominica nake kuma na shiga cikin FCLD (Fundacion Codigo Libre Dominicana) wanda shugabanta shine Antonio Perpiñan, wanda Richard ya ɗauka a matsayin mahaifin software kyauta a Latin Amurka Stallman da kansa ... Antonio ya ce RPMs sun fi karko, duk da cewa ya fito fili cewa ana yin DEB ne don girka da yawa, ma'ana, don yini zuwa yau, shi ya sa (ya ce) Ubuntu yana amfani da DEB, tunda yana girka da yawa kuma yana cirewa da yawa, amma a REDHAT ko CENTOS ba kwa yin hakan akoda yaushe, saboda yanada sababi server da kaina na fi son DEBs, bani da komai game da RPMs amma na daina al'ada da aiki… .
@ Jonathan Abin dariya ne abin da kuka fada, tunda Debian GNU / Linux, ba a tsara shi daidai don girkawa / cirewa da yawa ba, kuma yana fuskantar kayan aikin samarwa kamar sabobin (koyaushe yana magana ne game da Stable version).
Kuma gaskiyar ita ce ban san abin da ke tare da cewa rpm ya fi karko ba. ?
A gaskiya, babban bambanci tsakanin rpm da deb shine… a'a, ban sani ba. Amma na koyi abubuwa da yawa daga maganganun kowa. Godiya.
hahaha gaba daya sun yarda da Cesar
duk wahalar da nayi da gnu / linux sun kasance tare da rpm distros: p: p: p fedora na dauke hankalina, amma duk lokacin da nayi kokarin hakan sai na rasa sha'awar, a kalla kusan sau 3 ...
Ba ni da ikon cewa ɗayan ya fi ɗayan… amma na sami ƙwarewa mafi kyau game da .deb
Ina da ra'ayin da na karanta a wani wuri game da "rpm fragmentation", wanda a ciki aka ce ci gaban kunshin rpm ba shi da daidaito, a ma'anar kewayon rabarwar da zasu iya aiki ba tare da matsala ba,, kamar debs , wanda ke aiki a kusan dukkanin abubuwan da ke tattare da debian, kuma a cikin wancan sakon an yi kira ga devs da su hana irin wannan lamarin sake maimaita kansa tare da fakitin debian, amma ban tabbata ba game da hakan ... Na sami wani sosai na tuna rubutu wannan sharhi: p
Wani abu da nake matukar so game da deb shine gaskiyar cewa wuraren ajiyar Debian sunfi yawa ... gama gari, a takaice dai, kusan duk wasu rikice-rikicen da ake samu daga debian suna raba ajiyar su, maimakon haka a rpm, kamar yadda nayi kokarin, ya wani LABARI daban daban: p
Wani madadin da na ga yana da ban sha'awa shi ne na magana, kamar yadda yake a baka, cewa abin da manajan kunshin ke gudanarwa shi ne tarballs kuma shi ke kula da masu dogaro, ta yadda mai sarrafa kunshin da na fi so ba synaptic ba ne, amma shaman: D, amma hey, anan muna magana ne game da deb vs rpm kuma wannan bai dace ba xD
Ra'ayi na mai tawali'u game da shi, batun mai ban sha'awa, zai yi kyau idan wani mai ilimi ya koya mana ɗan ƙarami game da wannan batun mai ban sha'awa!
Gaskiyar ita ce koyaushe na yi amfani da .deb, amma daga abin da kuka faɗa babu bambanci sosai ... har ma da mahimmancin bambancin da kuka faɗa na iya kasancewa mafi siyasa yayin gina su fiye da komai.
Ba na tsammanin ya zama dole a daidaita su, musamman ma idan akwai baƙo, kodayake ana iya gabatar da baƙi a cikin manyan manajojin kunshin, don sanya shi ya fi dacewa, tare da gargaɗin daidai, ba shakka.
Game da kwatancen shigar da .exe, ban yarda da abin da aka fada a sama ba. Na tuna cewa lokacin da na sauya sheka zuwa Linux ɗayan abubuwan da suka faranta mani rai shine sauƙin shigarwa / cirewa / sabuntawa ta hanyar wuraren adana bayanai. A zahiri abu ne wanda ban fahimta ba tunda basu riga sun kwafa a cikin Microsoft ba. Babu wani abin da zai fi jin zafi a cikin jaki kamar sabuntawa a cikin windows ... shirin ta direba na shirin ta direba, lokacin da kowane shiri ba shi da aikinsa na kashe kudi kawai don bincika sabuntawa.
@Seth Wani lokaci. Amma a'a, Ina amfani da Arch Linux's .pkg.tar.gz. : D
Tabbas na fi son yin aiki kai tsaye tare da Tarballs, Portage rulez!
da kyau, A koyaushe ina amfani da rarraba bisa ga debian daidai saboda wannan batun, duk abin da nake buƙata zan iya girka (mafi yawa) tare da synaptic (ko apt-get), kuma na sami jin daɗi sosai. Game da abin da ƙungiyar ta faɗi a nan, da alama babu manyan bambance-bambance, amma ina tsammanin ya kamata su daidaita shi saboda wannan zai kawo ƙara rikicewa ga duniyar Linux, idan kunshin ɗaya yana da mahimmanci da na wani, me ya sa akwai haka yawa? misali kernel_panic ya ambaci cewa manajan kunshin zai iya ɗaukar ƙwallon ƙwal, to me yasa akwai fakiti da yawa? (Ina tsammani saboda girman zazzagewa) amma suna da yawa, mafi yawa ya kamata a sami kwando da zaɓi na biyu wanda zai daidaita rayuwa ga masu haɓakawa, masu kula da gidan yanar gizo da sababbin shiga. PS: Taya murna ga al'ummar yanar gizo saboda babu tarko da maganganun kusan duk suna da kyau.
Zuwa yanzu kuma bisa ga kwarewar mutum na amfani da tsarin duka, na karkata ga DEBs. Aƙalla abin da na tuna game da tsarin RPM shi ne cewa a cikin lokuta fiye da ɗaya ina da matsaloli na dogaro da shi. A gefe guda kuma, tare da DEB a wasu lokutan da ba kasafai nake samun matsaloli na dogaro da rashin gamsuwa ba kuma ya kasance koyaushe cikin fakitoci mara izini daga distro na (Ubuntu).
A ganina wannan shine kawai banbancin da zan iya faɗa tunda a cikin sauran halayen halayen sarrafawar kusan iri ɗaya ce.
A gefe guda, tsarin da Gentoo ke amfani da shi, don hada dukkanin shirye-shiryen da aka girka kai tsaye, ya zama kyakkyawa a gare ni idan ya zo ga kiyaye dukkan software da kuka girka tare da halaye da mutum yake bukata musamman kuma ya dace da halayen na'urar ku.wanda ke ba da damar ingantaccen kayan aiki. Abinda ke ƙasa shine cewa duk lokacin da ya zama dole don shigar da shirin, dole ne ku shiga cikin duk hanyar ƙirƙirar aiwatarwa.
Ba shi da nisa sosai daga gaskiya, duk da haka, nau'ikan suna da kyau sosai ...
Murna :)
Sannu mai kyau, Ina so in yi sharhi cewa batun yana da ban sha'awa, na gwada duka kuma matsalar tare da RPM ita ce nan ba da daɗewa ba fushin abubuwan dogaro. Baƙo ba koyaushe yake aiki ba ... amma mafi mahimmancin batun da nake tsammani shi ne na wasanni ... An san cewa kowa zai so wasannin ƙasa, amma domin a yawaita shi ya kamata a sami kunshin duniya wanda ya dace da duk abubuwan da ke damuwa. Ina ganin bayan haka zamu iya yin maganar wasannin Windows a Linux, tunda mu kadan ne daga cikinmu kuma a saman hakan dukkanmu mun rarrabu For. A dalilin haka Roma zata iya tare da Jamus… saboda basu da hadin kai kuma suna fada tsakanin dangi. Tunanin yana ɗan gudana amma gaskiya ne. Gaisuwa
Ina tsammanin an rubuta ainihin bambanci a cikin tarihi, bayyanar rarar farko: redhat da debian; Saboda wannan "gasa ta abokantaka" sun kasance kuma sun yi jiji sosai, da kaina a matsayin rarrabawa ina tsammanin wanda ya ci nasara shine zabin debian, daidai saboda ya fi sauki ko kuma akwai karin takardu ko kuma akwai karin furofaganda ga sabbin masu shirya kaya , Ina tsammanin cewa tare da wannan ne aka kirkiro mai kaya mai kyau kuma a cikin lokaci mai sauki wanda ya fi dacewa shine wanda ke da mafi kyawun kaya, banda cewa akwai da yawa fakitin da suke cikin debian kuma cewa a cikin sauran rarraba ba, to idan kuna so - zuwa distro tare da rpm wani abu ne mai ban haushi don shiga cikin matsalar samun kunshin ko tattara wani abu don iya amfani dashi,
Gaisuwa, kuma ina fatan nan gaba abu mafi sauki zaiyi min amfani da rpm
Na jingina zuwa ga .deb amma idan akwai mizani zan so kwando su zama saboda sauki da saurinsu
gwada slackware daya daga cikin farkon Linux distros.
Alex, Na rubuta wannan sakon, a yanzu ina amfani da kayan kwalliya kuma ina matukar son shi;)
duk waɗannan jerin maganganun, abin da kawai na rage shi ne mai zuwa.
rpm = matsala
deb = gaba ɗaya_simple
Kwarewar kaina:
Na fara shekaru da suka gabata tare da jar hular, nayi amfani da rpm ba tare da yawan mamaki ba, sannan na gwada suse kafin na sami novell (fuchili!) Sannan na hadu da debian ... har yau ina ganin har yanzu hakan ya taimaka kuma ya taimaka min da yawa abubuwa.
ɗayansu shine fakitin bashi.
wannan shine dalilin da ya sa har yau ina ganin shine mafi kyawun distro. yanzu ina amfani da ubuntu. gaskiya ... tana da munanan abubuwa nata, amma idan ka sarrafa, 10 ne (ko 9 +).
Ba ni da wata niyya ta sauyawa zuwa slackware ko gentoo ...
amma idan ina so in gwada wani hargitsi, zan gwada wanda stallman (UTUTO) ya ba da shawarar wanda ke da manajan kunshin da mai tarawa waɗanda waɗannan pampas ɗin ke magana da yawa «ututo-get»
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Na fara amfani da Ubuntu daga sigar 7.04 kuma na saba da .deb. Kimanin shekara daya da rabi da suka wuce na canza zuwa Debian kuma kwarewar na da kyau, amma ƙoƙarin neman ƙarin abubuwan dandano na Linux na gwada Fedora 14 kuma yanzu Fedora 15. Ina matuƙar yunƙurin warware masu dogaro, shine abin da ke haifar da ni a wannan lokacin don barin Fedora da .rpm da dawowa zuwa Debian da .deb.
(Ta yadda zanyi wannan tsokaci daga Fedora 15 tare da Gnome 3 ... bari muga yadda Gnome 3 ke aiki a Debian)
A koyaushe ina son na wahalar da rayuwata, na yi amfani da Slackware na dogon lokaci kuma ina son shi da yawa daga baya lokacin da nake ƙoƙarin sabuntawa tare da Ubuntu 12, an bar kwamfutata da abubuwan da ake buƙata na wannan kuma BricsCAD Ba zan taɓa yin aiki da shi a cikin 3D ba , yanzu ina amfani da PCLinuxOS Ina son shi da yawa kuma har yau ban sami matsala game da abubuwan kunshin .RPM ba, Ina tare da PCLinuxOS ɗin na, yana da haske ƙwarai, da sauri.
Abokin Abokina Kuma kwanan nan na saita rukunin shawa na tururi, babban abin da na yanke shawara
saya don ɗan lokaci, ƙanana da dangin suna son shi,
Ba zan iya ganin kaina na sake komawa ruwan sama na yau da kullun ba
Kyakkyawan ɗakunan yanar gizo masu girma na babban ilimin shawa a nan
Blog mai ban mamaki! Shin takenku al'ada ne ko kun zazzage shi daga
wani wuri? Zane kamar naku tare da twean tweek masu sauƙin gaske zai sanya bulogina ya haskaka.
Da fatan za a sanar da ni inda kuka samo takenku. Godiya
A cikin kwarewata na lura da ɗan jinkiri a .rpm idan aka kwatanta da .deb duk da cewa abin da nake so game da .rpm abu ɗaya ne kawai, masu dogaro da kansu suna bincika su kuma (aƙalla a cikin fedora) latsa "tab" zai cika komai da komai kuna son rubutawa a cikin tashar gwargwadon wurin da mahallin da za a yi amfani da shi, saboda wannan dalilin na sauya zuwa fedora, wanda idan ya ɗan huce shi ne gaskiyar cewa akwai lokuta da za ku sami app kawai a cikin .deb, misali chrome desktop mai nisa, A ganina misali yakamata ya zama duka suna cikin wannan harka kuma idan da alama zai fi kyau zuwa .rpm