Am gnulinux user 10 years ago. It is the OS I currently use. But there is something I still do not understand: llinuxers who live in the past. Those who prefer to do everything old-fashioned, although linux it is the most modern OS you can ask for. I do not understand these types of linuxers. I understand that they are pedantic y sarcastic, is what happens when you never put it on or when the last women you had sex with were last names "Jpeg" and "Avi". But that is another subject. I wonder: Why the obsession with living in the past?
Once not long ago (2008), I remember signing up for a mail list a LUG to ask some questions about something you didn't know. But also wanting to stay and participate. Instead of answers, the new ones on the list were welcomed a reprimand quite rude for having sent mail in HTML format. Alone to annoy a bit (I admit it) I asked them to explain to me the reason for that rule.
They recited me from memory the netiquetta, not without adding a lot of irony to their answers. Any answer that begins with «Well, all those who use mother proceed to uninstall it because the wave is now the html. Because it is very necessary to send liver faces that smile, showing all their teeth and are bouncing through life, because it is extremely efficient to send text in French blue color ... » deserves an answer in the same ironic tone, and so I did:
Of course not. Let's not do that. It makes much more sense to ask everyone who uses your rich format mail (all webmails today) not to, because there are 2 people in the world who use mutt. And since we are, let's make the forums in "text + links" only, for the people who still use Mosaic. Let us adapt the whole world to the eccentricities of a few. Because surely it is the same to ask for ramps for the disabled in buildings as it is to ask that we break all the stairs in the world and replace them with ramps and force everyone to use them because there is a geek who, being able to walk, does not like to do it, nor that the others walk.
Of course not. Liver smilies are not necessary. Nor are they the bold to make emphasis in a word, neither "Italics" to quote something. No one needs to underline either a word. Because this word draws attention in the middle of a paragraph just like _esta_ or * esta *. The links better put them at the end [1] Besides all the emails in the world are serious and cold and are perfectly understood because plain text perfectly conveys feelings, and humans Never we write using hints or irony. Me never, never, never ever ironic in an email, included this mail: P
But don't worry, you won't miss a thing when you read this plain text mail on your Mutt. Because the enriched text definitely DO NOT is better than plain text :)
La netiquette It was invented in the 80s ... of the last century. And since then it continues to be used Without anyone updating it! Does it occur to anyone that the context may have changed "a little" since then? That maybe some rules no longer apply?
The main reason they cited me (always rude, arrogant and sarcastic) was that "The same email in HTML weighs more than in plain text". And who cares how much the text of an email weighs today? In the age of youtube videos, webapps and broadband? That nonsense isn't even from the days of the 56 kbs dialup, it's from even earlier. Who cares if an email weighs 50 kb more, when just to open the webmail did you have to download more than one mega?
The funniest thing is that how it was put together flame war, users who asked that it not be sent in HTML "Because it weighs more" They did it by quoting all the previous discussion. What about 200 lines of >>>>>> text >> quoted they weigh nothing? If they applied the common sense they would notice the inconsistency.
Somebody should update that damn netiquetta. Although, after all ... who uses mail-lists today besides LUGs?
Then there is the linuxer that use the console for everything. Yes, that is very useful. Even efficient. It's true. But what need do you have to open firefox through the console? Stop pressing Alt + F2 that makes me feel like I'm traveling in time! We are not in WarGames! Can't you see the console that I opened there in a nice transparent and floating window? Use that one!
Leave the console to impress the little brother of your imaginary girlfriend, I know how to use Linux and I know that it was not necessary to open it to do that. Or at least use something from this century, like Gnome-DO. If you still use the command mount, You are not more Linux than others, it just means that you have not updated your OS since 2003, because nowadays any distro like people automount. And if I ask you to show me some photos, why do you start giving the "cd bar tab bar letter tab tab letter bar letter tab"?
The console is also a double-edged sword. Why copy commands from HOWTO's that you found on the internet, directly to the console, it's great, but beware that some are abused and send you to use old Terminal programs to do in «20 easy steps» what you could have done with 2 clicks. Tip: always check the date the howto was written. If he says a lot "floppy disk" or talks about the "new" RedHat 7, close everything and go watch a chapter of IT Crowd.
Let's not forget about the linuxero «spell checker» that interrupts a conversation to tell you "You don't say Ubuntu, you say 'Linux'". No, genius, you're wrong! Last it will be said "Gnu linux", Do not you think?. I still remember the time when I was challenged all the time in the administrator course for saying Linux: "You don't say Linux, you say GNU / Linux" (and they pronounced it "Gargajo-NÚ-pauseparaindicarra-linux"). The day will come when they tell you "do not say distro-pupular-in-2015, it is said Ubuntu » with the same air of pedantry that the former used.
Friends of the latter, but still more uninformed, are those who tell you today that "You can't do that in linux" speaking of things that, indeed, could not ... in 2001. "In linux does not flash", "In linux you cannot run windows programs", "Linux cannot write to NTFS, read only". You can tell that they never used the System and that they play by ear, repeating like parrots things they read in old PC Users. From the same school come the "Linux is difficult", "Linux is for geeks only" o "Linux looks ugly".
Another typical symptom of living in the past is live complaining about the present. And the present in linux is called Ubuntu. Those who previously felt special and hated anyone who used Windows 98; now they also added to their hated list those who use linux, but use distros that they consider unworthy. Why use a distro that recognizes all the hardware of one if you are handsome and can spend 8 days trying to raise the network or the sound? Graphics mode installation? That's for users.
Don't get me wrong, most users of gnulinux we are good vibes. What's more, most of us are adventurers and we like to have the latest of the latest installed on our machines. Most of us will love to show you our gnome-do, our compiz fusion. If you ask us how to do something, we will not send you to Mon nor are we going to answer everything by saying "Apt-get".
Most of us users of gnulinux, we do not long for the time when a few hackers from some engineering school were the only ones capable of using this Operating system. We don't miss the gray font on a black background. We love this OS and want it to be the modern answer to the needs of any user, and of all users.
—–No, do not install Linux on my pc… .this post was written by the friend N3RI who you can read on his blog, or follow by Twitter-
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Impeccable. Clap clap clap.
Netiquette was invented in the 80s, right. And we are almost finishing the first decade of the 70st century, right. But you also have to understand that there are people who connect to the internet with connections that could be from the 3s, because adequate development has not arrived in their region / country. And if to give a one-line response you put an html that takes up three times, you are probably making the person who receives it pay triple to download the mail. Unfortunately, it is a situation in 4/XNUMX of the world. Think about it.
«Another typical symptom of living in the past is living complaining about the present. And the present one in linux is called Ubuntu. »
WTF?
Not everything is Ubuntu in the world of GNU / Linux ...
I still use mount xD and I'm not that old: P
good post! Although there are fewer and fewer of those (or they stop more hidden, LUGs are already out of fashion)
Simply remarkable about the list and the mutt, is what we always say here.
Thanks for writing N3RI, pure common sense, despite that, there are people who would be offended, poof.
@ bachi.tux Yes, that hurt me too.
But what I wanted to comment on was the console. I'm one of those who use it for everything, and it's not that I don't use the graphical interface. I use the Windows one for 8 hours a day, Monday through Friday, for several years (and what remains ...).
And now I have stopped to think: why when I am at home I only use the console? I had never thought about it.
… (<- here I am thinking)
I think it is because it is more comfortable and faster for me. Or maybe it's just out of habit… But just thinking about opening a file manager to move a site directory; or having to use the mouse to open an application from the menu ... I almost prefer not to. I already got it, I use the console for lazy! XD
What I have thought many times is that it is a pity that windows has a console that is sad to see and disgusting to use. I don't understand why they don't improve it. When they tab-pressed the file names to appear cyclically (pathetic approximation, by the way) I thought there was still some hope left. But the last windows console I have seen is the Vista one, and it was still the same! Under these conditions, it does not surprise me that people who used windows before learning about linux have a phobia of the console, it must be something like a childhood trauma.
But hey, I'm raving. Whoever wants to use the console to use it and whoever does not want to not use it. Who wants to write with faces :) to do it, and who does not want to not do it. Who wants to set up a mailing list with html support to do it, and who does not want to not do it. And whoever wants to use a mailing list that does not accept emails in html format should do so, and whoever does not ... well that.
Come on, I don't understand the problem.
I can say that I do not agree with everything, although there are real things among which you mention.
Excellent, I had a hysterical attack once because of irc because I could not get any ftp client to work and everyone was scolding me, making me understand that where there was wget the rest were things for the mentally retarded. I just quit suse and went back to ubuntu.
Sending bullshit in the mail should be forbidden to people other than you.
You don't have to have mutt to just use plain text.
It is clear that over time the level of the average Linux user has dropped significantly. Thanks to its success and its graphic evolution.
if you want to make windows with linux go ahead. is the present.
Good article haha although I think that the reactions you mentioned are quite to be expected when entering a mailing list, because in the forums dedicated to Linux (and in many cases also other herbs) such things do not happen, in fact there is usually a very good one willingness to help (as long as the questions are not so obvious, and by that I mean questions found in less than 15 minutes of googling).
Regarding your criticism towards users who express rejection of Ubuntu, I think it should have more foundation, although Ubuntu and all @buntu are criticized a lot from older users or from other distros, all of these are well argued and quite inpartial . In fact, I have never heard someone criticize @buntu for being easy, but for its already known instability, which is the product of the irresponsibility of its developers when basing their system on Debian unstable and only releasing versions as "stable" without that they are fully tested, which generally results in wholesale bugs, problems out of nowhere and many times more headaches than wintendo itself (I know because in the short time that I have been in linux I already had enough rages with Ubuntu specifically ). Although Ubuntu is a distro that has managed to make many users take the great (not so great, but at the moment one sees it like this) step from wintendo to GNU / Linux, it rightly shits it on many other things and ultimately takes that space away from others. Much better distros just for the fact that cannonical has more dineriwi. So I do not know if Ubuntu is really the present of linux, otherwise those ndistros cataloged as difficult (namely, the best known case as Debian is) have made things very very easy for new users in recent times.
regards
In general and it is not with the intention of attacking but it seems to me a crying post.
I am not a religious of the nettiquet, I have always taken their recommendations very above and I never went out to hit someone because they overlooked things like top-posting, although I agree that it makes it difficult to follow a thread.
Whenever I happen to participate in a list, I accept that some have a net tag that they want to enforce and others have a lighter version, even others that do not have any. They are the rules of the game for each community.
As for html, I can tell you that I personally do not like it, the only emails I receive (and I receive many) in that format are promotions of viagra and elarge your pennis that when they sneak into the inbox I mark as spam. I even think that if they sent me those advertisements in plain text and without capital letters, I would read them, and I'm not saying it because I need those products: P
As for the list only used by lugs, I'm sorry to contradict you. They are a valuable communication tool, I use them daily in the workplace, I use them whenever I work with a team of people. They are a wonderful way to communicate.
The terminal (shell) I do not understand why it bothers you that people use it or not use it if they feel like it. I fully agree that it is faster and more useful for certain things, the alt + f2 is a shortcut provided by the graphical interface, I don't understand why you mix the concepts. In particular, if someone likes to type on the keyboard using their feet, or a free stroke with his penis, find that person, who uses their computer as appropriate.
For everything else I use ubuntu, I was barely 20 years old so I'm not that old.
Without the console I think I would die.
Starting firefox or any other application is done many times for convenience. Many times it is faster to write the application than to look for the icon in some hidden menu.
And much faster is to show you a photo with cd / tab / tab than to open the program, go to File-> Open, search the directory with the mouse, one by one find the file in the list and double click.
Why do all that if I know that I have to show you the photo that is in /home/yo/fotos/foto155.jpg
But each one is happy as he wants, I would never force another to use the console or what I use.
Regards!
Maybe it takes longer to write it than to go looking for it, it depends on who writes it.
reading the comments ... it seems that not everyone agrees with your post ... I do in some things and not others ... but what I do not agree at all is in the tonality of the post ... »I think» a little mocking or something like that: P
It does not matter ... each one with their own way of being, right?
Very true this, unfortunately these users still abound (in the mail-lists, I did not believe it, but yes) and they have such a square mentality that they do not live outside their console, of course it is powerful, but this pod is about freedom , even to do things the way you want, right?
Greetings :)
PS: They are ruining the image of Linux and put it as a selfish and rude geek
Agree with almost everything. Just a clarification. Where you say Ubuntu I guess you meant Mandriva;)
My mutt sweats it, but if phishing works it is many times because the user is what he is (I understand that), and because HTML is used in the emails when it is not really * used * (the email is not formatted ).
Not bad as rant, but some things a bit taken with tweezers IMHO.
Buaaa how right you are, the one about the talks I have had about that, I am studying computer science at the university and half of the teachers see them stuck, forcing you to program on the console and when one day you go with your laptop and open them netbeans (to give an example) they tell you ... ahh, I don't know about this ... let's see how the hell you don't know?!?! IF it is the same only better and easier !, but hey, when you are going to start with a laboratory and the first thing you come across are the commands to create and copy folders in the console, you say…. What the hell was the mouse invented for? ...
Anyway, I support you and it is not the first time that I have this «discussion»
It is not the same to play by ear. Than to know things from hearsay.
The rest very true.
I think it's very good that you express your ideas, but be careful, you speak of the rudeness of certain people's words and you are not able to measure your own in a post that attacks many users.
I have less than 20 tacos, on my way to being a computer scientist and I use the console both out of necessity and pleasure because it works on the order of 10 times more efficient than the graphic environment in many aspects.
It is said GNU / Linux not for pedantic, but for education, the creators of this OS are a foundation and a student named Linus, it is a sign of respect for the work that both parties did, yes, on many occasions it is understood and the correction indicates pedantry, but in others it is a matter of simple respect.
Ubuntu is a great system because it allows the introduction to GNU / Linux with ease, but basically it is not a good operating system, once you have practice in this OS, it is best to go to a Debian plan parent distro.
regards
When they ask me to help them with a windows issue, I miss the console, for me it is much faster to work with it.
I appreciate that ubuntu exists, but one of the strengths of linux is not forcing you to change computers every two years, and right now I either install a lighter distribution or buy another computer.
According to what things, the mutt still gives a lot of play ... :).
You have described it bordering on perfection. That is so, I have lived it and seen it. In fact, I no longer participate in any type of forum / chat of this type because of the "council of elders" that rambles it.
I have always obtained borders for comments, arrogance is the basic incentive of those who "understand" the meritorious who wants to learn. I have seen and felt it. Thus, for every 10 "geeks" who context in such a peculiar way, sometimes, hopefully there is one with consideration and / or (as I call it) "class" that context you.
It is obvious that nobody is obliged to context in a chat or forum, but I do not know what they paint because there it is for that purpose what they are for.
Greetings.
You have been using Linux for 10 years and you ask yourself these questions? Are you sure you're not a camouflaged windowzero?
Hmmm .. the netiquetta issue, do you really think it's just a matter of bandwidth? Maybe it did not occur to you to think that it could be a simple matter of security? Emails with html can contain javascripts with a nice built-in exploit that will leave your server messing around, which obviously won't please everyone.
Ubuntu, the future of linux? If so, I prefer not to see beyond. This distro raises my scales thanks to its impressive unreviewed updates. You really didn't like a little more fedora for example? yum it's not that it's wonderful, but the truth is that red hat people tend to work a little harder.
I affirm myself as a great defender of the console, in case anyone doubted it, managing a linux without a console eliminates a lot (no, a lot) of flexibility. Maybe you should get a little more tanned in its use to be able to appreciate its benefits, you lack filming in it.
regards
Man about the command line ... I use the command line a lot, not because it is cooler or knows more linux than others, far from it, it is because it is much faster when you are using only the keyboard (for example you are typing in openoffice) do alt + f2 and then use mount to take the mouse and go to the corresponding tab / button / etc and give the right button and then the mount option. I also have to admit that there are occasions that it is due to ignorance, for example, I do not know how to apply certain engraving options in k3b.
The Ubuntu thing, they explain it above, although it is true that there is a whiff of hatred towards these somewhat strange distros. Something like the one that had towards mandriva / mandrake ...
How ironic!
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ar/2008-December/015657.html
It's in plain text!
(Boludo!)
I have always said, as my father of the country tells me, respect for the rights of others is peace, if he likes to use the console for everything, very his bit, if you think it is wrong to receive an email in html that bad mood !!!, if you love to use only graphic very your anger.
Q extremists both ... they should better learn to respect each other and let each one be the best fit for them.
For me, the main reason I can think of for not sending emails as html is because distribution lists are a very useful source of knowledge, and there are sites that store and index the messages of these lists. If they are in html, many times you end up seeing garbage.
I do not know if it will be reason enough for you, but I hope that if you have not done it, you will take it into account from now on.
Also think about, for example, people with vision difficulties who use text-to-speech. The general rule of thumb is: the fewer frills, the better.
The rest of the article I do not comment, because I have not finished reading it: P
You mix a multitude of things, it is not good if you want to draw conclusions from something. If all you want is to be right…. then if it is good, then in something it will have it.
Regarding the HTML in the mails ... there are mail clients in which it looks strange, or with some strange characters. The text-only format is the most appropriate, whether we like it or not. Another thing is that it is indeed a bit fussy to berate someone who uses html.
Regarding the console ... I use it even on windows. If I want to open a msdos window I go to start-run and type cmd. Iden with msconfig, explorer, calc, ... And I have not grown up using linux, so something I want to say, and that something is that for some things IT IS FASTER. In general, the use of the keyboard is faster and more efficient than that of the mouse. Try to learn keyboard shortcuts in programs like photoshop, 3d studio max, etc. and you will see the enormous comfort that they suppose with respect to the mouse. The disadvantage is that YOU HAVE TO USE THE HEAD.
Typical article of who has always been and will be a lick :)
hahahahaha, it seems that in 2009 the same wars are still in force as at the beginning of the 90's in Fidonet. That if everything was written in 7-bit ASCII, that ANSI could not be used for the same reasons presented here.
lol what memories, in the end you see where we are, thinking about the same old things.
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I have been a Linux user for years and if I loved something about Linux it was the console and it is still like that, both for the flexibility and for the speed with which you can carry out any activity / task. When you manage a linux server in which there is no graphical environment, you really realize how overrated they are (and how beautiful it is to navigate with links)
It may be a bit extreme but I prefer to stay in the past as you call it without much effect in the graphical environment without utility, without lusers that can only contribute ignorance and the possible arrival of malware to this wonderful system.
PS: Where I say linux, I mean GNU / Linux that later rains criticism on me
If you don't like the rules of a mailing list, DO NOT WRITE IN THEM. As simple as that.
What does not like capital letters? for something there are rules.
Ubuntu is not gnu / linux!
Hehe, I don't know how to abuse the console, it's something like a new sexual perversion… Bashfilia? It's my console and I fuck her how I want. They would say out there
the linuxero who apparently are taken according to what is stated in the article, if he is dedicated to seeing everyone as Taliban according to whether or not they use a mouse, I do not know who is more Taliban.
mutt? Come on man. No, look, what it is about is that one install Ubuntu (or any distro) at home and can tell his girlfriend (who does not want to complicate his life with computing): this is for browsing (Firefox, of course), this is like Office but better (OpenOffice, of course) and the rest, more or less, you already get it. The applications menu ... and she won't let you finish the sentence: "Yeah, I see it, this is like Windows." No my love, it's better, much better.
That a person who does not want to know what Linux is, or why it is better than other OS, or has never touched it, be able to use it as if they were doing it all their life 10 minutes of getting to it ... that's the idea.
Mutt? Troglodytes.
I don't understand what all this is about ... obviously you like things simple and beautiful, many of us like things well done.
I have not been a GNU / Linux user for long but I have tried to learn what seemed to me and seem to me to be good habits, I generally try not to respond to these types of questions but given that it is widely disseminated I consider that the point of view It is of doubtful experience and lacks valid arguments, you are a simplistic person and even so you seem not to be comfortable with it, feeling the need that we all be like you.
You are one of those who buy things by sight and if we try to evaluate the usefulness of that well ... your life is going to continue to be boring and you are going to get tired of writing things like this and you are going to miss so many other things.
Hello, I wrote the text and the truth is that I am amazed and I do not understand why they identify with the Taliban linuxero and then they feel attacked.
They do not think it possible that you are part of the cool linuxers of whom I speak at the end, the good vibes, who use the console a lot, but do not abuse it, who do not treat you badly for doing top-posting, etc?
It strikes me that they identify with the obsessive Linux user and not with the piola.
Hellop:
I once witnessed something surreal ...
When I was even newer than I am to Linux, I asked someone how to perform a certain operation in Ubuntu ... well, when it was time to reboot, the guy opened the console and wrote:
"Sudo shutdown -h now"… Isn't it preferable, from every point of view, to do the two clicks to restart the PC… who do you want to impress with such an «inefficient geek» action?
Simply absurd ...
Greetings xD
Very good article, and it reminds me - saving the distance - when Windows 3.1 was becoming popular and many defended DOS saying that GUIs were useless, without a future, a mere ornament ... The rest is history.
A greeting.
FREEDOM AND RESPECT
I simply do not like the article because it seems wrong to me, since it is still an opinion in the face of the frustration generated by everything that ignorance does not allow to see.
By the way, thanks achievements such as Jailbreak, modified PSP firmwares, Wii, ... to all those purist-geeks of the console, the vim and the gdb.
That you are a mere desktop user does not imply that the rest have to be.
I am aware that there are people who think like you, although, taking into account that I am one of those "linux dinosaurs", I must tell what I think.
First of all, did you try asking any of those "dinosaurs" instead of drawing your own conclusions about what they think? You don't comment on it in your post.
What I was going to. I am an average Linux user, the most I get is to install a distribution, install a driver, mount devices, and little else.
Now, I learned this when redhat 7 did not exist, so it was all console.
As you suppose, it is easier and more comfortable for me to install something in text mode than to do it in a graphical environment. Simple as that.
Perhaps you understand better with another example: after years of accelerating with the pedal, I do not feel more comfortable using the speed regulator in my car.
I hope, I suppose and I hope, that with time your way of dealing with things changes.
Greetings.
What envy. They want to force me to use Netbeans, and they see me strange because I take my notebook and work with vim + a compiler from the CLI. : '(
Wow, history repeats itself over and over again (Exactly The Same).
regards
AJAJAJAJJA !!! But dear ... if you don't like it, don't buy it.
If so much hatred is generated by Linux users who live in the past, you who belong to the avant-garde do not waste your time with them. Stop wasting your time and keep up with your magic distros, with your forums full of faces, with your crowded blogs and leave those poor old dinosaurs to keep having the soup.
Go new age kids, everyone go hand in hand to the kiosk on the corner to buy some colorful candy.
the graphical interfaces are as a certain developer said out there: for newbies and old ladies, if you use any flavor of linux (apparently ubuntu) at least respect the power and control that can be used "the console", very good for those that use "automounting" and the compiz cube, I consider myself a linux user, I know its history and it took 9 years to use different * nix flavors, in my opinion you are a simple novice who is amazed by the different graphic appearances but at the same time It seems he feels offended because he does not understand, does not know or simply cannot with the command line ... it hurts for you, and it hurts that people like you "belong" to the "linux" user community ... Anyway, I have always I thought that the graphic effects, the decoration overload are only the meaning of not knowing what to do ... Anyway! your opinion may be valid, but for newbies and grown-ups!
Finally, the community works for end users and programming, creating, fixing is not done with “2 clicks”. The real users for me, are those that we contribute! those we create! those that we configure, modify and share! go to hell with your two clicks that if you are only an end user, your opinion is overflowing!
Regards!
A GNU / * nix manager!
P.S. I support the comment of @carlitos
Without putting the word "linux" in the comment (not necessary), here is my opinion:
What no one can do is go to someone else's site and try to impose its rules.
If there is a code of conduct on such a site, it must be respected, something that seems to have bothered you a lot.
What do you think if in LXA or in any website or service everyone wanted to impose their ideas?
Too bad for your writing. You should have more regarding plain emails, which I think you don't understand all its advantages.
And finally, this article adds to an already worrying list of "junk articles" that you have in LXA. Reflect a bit.
Skinny, you have no idea how many bullshit you are saying. You have no fucking idea of anything, go back to Windows. The rules were put in place many years ago and you are nobody to question them.
People like you, do not contribute a damn to the development of systems, technology and hacktivism, which is why you use what you are using and the present is not called Ubuntu Ubuntu is a distribution for underfunded beings who do not know how to add 2 + 2.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Sick
God, they are more childish than my 10-year-old cousin. They just need to kick.
I don't know why it seems strange to you that there are people who sympathize with those who do not think like you. On that list I think you found quite a few.
After reading the thread (thank you "me")
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-ar/2008-December/thread.html#15646
I think maybe someone answered badly because your words were bad for them:
> Plain text? Are you from the past?
>
> Can someone explain to me why this archaic custom is still maintained?
> Does someone explain to me why it is kept ONLY in mailing lists of or
gnulinux related?
You are right, if we want "gnu / linux" to continue to be a worthy competitor in the OS war we must put the most modern and what better way than to contribute to the development of new technologies using and testing them, so some time not too far we will stop using the console and do it all with a couple of clicks. Ubuntu stands out for that and because of that I use it, they strive to make everything easier and out of the terminal. In the end what all OS should do is install and forget about settings, just be installed and work at the moment, without complicated settings like other distros that almost build them from scratch….
What if I still use alt + F2 to open a program (not all because it would be exaggerating haha) worse because it is more comfortable for me so go to the menus and look for it if I already know its command, also the gnome-do I don't like it and my Awn does not fit all the programs I need… .. YOUR COMMENTS ARE GREAT
Well I agree, what the console does is very efficient and for a demanding work environment if it would be adequate, but if we want to bring gnu / linux to most of the PCs in the world it should be in a more simplified way because we accept the curve Learning for gnu / linux is higher than others and to shorten the time it takes for novice users to start using it, this OS should be carried out in a simpler way. I think that demonstrating the efficiency of gnu / linux is useful because it has already been demonstrated, but let's not forget that not all of us are experts and that does not indicate that we cannot bring gnu / linux to the average user because not all of us are professionals. There are those who just want to navigate safely and do easy jobs that are not interested at the moment in making complicated configurations with the console. Ubuntu facilitates the adaptation to gnu / linux to start with a complete work on the console, therefore we should not limit or underestimate the advances that have been made to simplify the administrative work of the OS or the attractiveness that gnu / linux has made to the Rookie eyes because it is not necessary to be ugly to be intelligent (you will agree) so I do not understand the little importance that some give to the cube, being able to coexist in peace and without bugs with the rough work that some companies print to gnu / linux. ... hey, it's about making fun of billgates !!!!! and its windows full of worms not to attack us between linuxers
What a boring fanboys, I think that 70% of those who use Linux think you are special for memorizing and writing 4 commands on the screen.
Totally agree with the article.
The truth is that the article or the case with the title ...
I agree that some magazines still seem to be talking about linux in 2000-2002, but it has to be generalized.
But anyway, the beauty of GNU / Linux is not that it is Linux itself, but that there are options for all tastes, sizes and colors.
This one for the newbie that is starting up (ubuntu) as well as the crazy linuxero-del-opus-dei who prefers gentoo.
And if still nothing convinces you, the sources are there, it is a matter of making a personalized one ...
regards
PS: 10 years using linux and you have not learned more than flaming the netiquette? n00b!
In general, the article does not seem bad to me but I think that about using the console ... it will be me that I do not like to use the mouse too much, but I am very VERY comfortable in a console. And I'm not even a linux power user.
Installing applications from apt-get is the best thing I discovered xD
The first thing, instead of crying so much, go to Mac and so you will have that beautiful desktop environment and you will not have consoles or those strange things….
Pd: Ubuntu is a cancer, linux is fine without average users, they only bring problems and do not contribute anything to knowledge or development
These are the true cancer of the Linux community. Those who proclaim Freedom and Respect and denigrate users for using a different system.
How much do you contribute to the knowledge that you think gives you the right to denigrate other users ... as I said, you are the real cancer.
Flash is not a standard?… ..But… it is all over the internet !!!!
jojojojoj… .Why ?????… don't be a fan !!
Excuse me, I'm not a penguin .. mine is the bsd .. and the truth is, even in winchot, I don't know how to do a ping or a traceroute from the graphical environment ... I still like the console. I'm not a masochist to see an avi. I ride the graphic environment .. but I like the console better and the mount and umount gives me more peace of mind that everything is in its place.
Also for now dbus and hald are not to my liking with their little failures
I loved the post, I congratulate you on your priceless sense of humor and the occasion of an appropriate response.
Sure, because when I watch a video in flash I'm always interested in seeing the RFC, ECMA or ISO. If you care, it is because you are completely sick
do you want to justify the fools who can't even remember their own password? ... it looks like it happened to you
I know that before the advent of Ubuntu and all its average users Linux has much more shit, they believe that it is the panacea of computer science and other nonsense. In fact, visiting the ubuntu forums I have found a post saying that Ubuntu was the best distro (which is more than debatable) and cases in which they did not even know that it had arisen from the unstable version of debian putting this to birth ... I think it says so everything (and in case you jump with that, I don't use debian and I'm not upset about it)
I think that this type of user denigrates much more than what I have done, and the person in charge of this discussion has done it by mixing churras with merino, caused by a tantrum because they have not told him that he is cool on a mailing list ...
Sending HTML emails to a list is from cocksucker and SPAMers. You see, when you send an email to a list and more so when _you_ want to ask something, that email can turn into thousands of responses, one after another. You will see how beautiful your HTML specimen ends when the first response does not use it. Have you understood or do you need a graph?
With honorable exceptions (such as fer), the comments to the contrary do nothing more than confirm what the text says. Believing yourself superior to others (for example, assuming that I don't know anything about gnulinux or that those who don't think like them is "because they don't know or don't understand") all accompanied by a lot of hollow insult that says nothing ... simple caveman grunts.
Very sad that we have such personalities in the Free Software community.
That is why I especially thank Fer, and those who, like him, were able to show their disagreement with the text, but in a respectful way. Even though the text is a parody. Although we think differently, comments are appreciated.
If everyone who disagreed with my text had acted like him ... I would have to retract more than one of my statements ... but no, they just grunted, as always.
And in general, those who think similar to me, those who notice these same symptoms that many of us notice, have left their comments with great respect and good vibes.
That says much more about the free software community and its members than this text or any other.
Mmmm ... this was to be expected, the article smelled like flame and indeed people continue to mess it up, I would prefer that people instead of fighting and tantrums limited themselves to commenting on the things that are read in the article, but how is it not going to be possible I wonder if you can stop receiving comments by mail, I do not want spam in mine XD
I've always said it, while in response to a question a novice user receives a command line response, Linux will not be a popular OS.
If using the environment is so good and using bash is so bad, why don't you cut 1000 images from 640 × 480 to 320 × 200 size, starting the cropping at the 100, 100 coordinate? Ale! Do it with the Photoshop machine!
Ravenman …… did you write 5 comments in a row? what a troll for God's sake!
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Raul yes, I want them to think like me ... to write a single comment responding to all, and not write 5 comments. I'm a monster. Can they write two million sentences in the console to see a flv and they can't edit a single comment by quoting several comments ?, for God's sake. Besides, not a single comment is deleted, nor is anything censored, and everyone is free to express their opinions. It is not our intention to contribute absolutely anything to the community. Is that the meaning of a blog? At least not this one. I invite you to visit other blogs that you will surely find countless contributions, you will not find them here. Here what you are going to find, is a lot of self-criticism, and a free expression of opinions. Besides, no one is censored here, as much as the flatterers of free software love to censor those who do not think like they kick. What is this "delete this post? Be happy."
no one talks about never using the console. The text talks about those who obsess and use it for everything, even if it hurts them or is more complicated (such as disabling the automount and wanting to mount everything by hand)
by the way, I still haven't found how to watch a very funny video that was sent to me from youtube on lynx ... maybe you will tell me how to do it ... «machine»
(not that I'm really interested, it's just a joke example)
Well point out that you do not t inresa, because I am sure there is some way to catch it and see it through the xDDD console
I am completely against what you say about ubuntu, or you have not yet noticed what GNOME brings by default !! And that should be grounds for jail! KDE rules !!
Funny youtube video? By means of links, no, since it is a browser that respects standards and flash is not a standard.
But if you could download the file (flv) and watch your video from a console without even using X, thanks to something called framebuffer.
Even if you had a tuner you could watch TV from a tty without even having X (I repeat).
You talk about not using the console and then you go out to say that you use it, you have an important bipolar friend.
Something else, have you ever thought that you use what you use thanks to the contribution made by many dinosaurs? Do you think that if they were all n00bs, this system would have a future? Regarding Ubuntu, it's just another distribution (I don't like it, for example), but I don't think it's anything from another world, because what Mandriva and Fedora have been doing for a long time, they only synchronize the unstable Debian repositories with yours every 6 months and a new version comes out with many bugs.
You speak from a deep ignorance (I do not know you, but your comments and article demonstrate that), in which you offend many people, a great egoism and a great egocentricity. I think the most appropriate thing would be to withdraw this article.
Surely this jerk manages a web server from GNOME. You can tell that he doesn't have the fucking idea of what he's saying.
It is true, it is all over the internet, but it is not a standard unfortunately. For not respecting standards, all the incompatibility problems between browsers exist, for example IE / Firefox / Chrome.
Standardization is good, and thanks to it you enjoy the Internet, computing, and almost everything you do. Anyway, from a shell you do the same as from the X. Anyway, if you don't like this way of working, don't use Linux, because if the X breaks, what would you do? reinstall the whole system? -.
I repeat for the trillionth time, that some took text comprehension to March.
I DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT NEVER USING THE CONSOLE. I USE IT ALL THE TIME. The text talks about those who do things in a complicated way just because they learned that way 20 years ago, the one who uses a console for everything, the one who insists on using lynx to enter YouTube and Gmail or watch movies =)
Show me the RFC, ECMA or ISO ...
As long as you can't find one, it is still a commercial product of company x, do you want a relative example? A: Silverlight.
regards
PS: If Flash were a standard (Flash not ActionScript), why would there be an imperative need to put embedded video features in html5?
You really are «basofia», zea what zea ezo xD
Those who use the console for almost everything (I do not know anyone who continues to start terminals without a minimum window manager below) is because they want to continue controlling everything that happens on their system.
"Pure" tools are made to do their job and for nothing else, and whoever likes things done well, likes GNU's pure tools because they are actually simple to use and extremely efficient at what they do.
There are those who prefer to install 10 brutal programs that consume 1GB of RAM each, taking advantage of 0.01% of their possibilities ... well there with their happiness and with the waste of their resources!
If you don't know how to drive, don't buy a car, if you don't know how to fight, don't get in front of a bull ... And with computer science, that same maxim should be fulfilled, but there will always be the pringao of the pringao's howto to be a bullfighter manolete ...
Ok N3RI you start to contradict yourself and before you continue squandering meaningless phrases towards the FREE software community, I want to tell you that distributions such as Ubuntu of which you stand out so much is in I think competing against for example I ask which one uses more proprietary software ONLY please your end users, Yes! great wonder compiz (not for me) what does it bring you? A damn cube that consumes all the resources of your machine? Do you know how many "cases" of "why I don't have my cube in ubuntu" come to the forums? the people you call archaic in a way, are precisely the same people who collaborate in the n-thousand * nix forums so that fanatic users of "special desktop effects" understand a little about how things work.
Do you know why clicks are not so good at all? because users almost NEVER read the different parameters or variables that will be affected and only give an accept or a yes!
Finally, how ironic that you start to contradict yourself using phrases like "I USE IT ALL THE TIME", I think it's time you stopped writing nonsense and if you want to feel like a member of the free software community, start contributing something! otherwise you are nothing more than an end user who shouts needs and claims to be a free software user emulating and using proprietary software, under a different environment than usual Windows! because if you don't know it, Private Software virtualized, emulated or simulated in a Free Software Operating System, will continue to be Private Software!
Anyway, the best thing you can do respecting your opinion is to stick with it and above all, if you do not want to receive bad words, do not use bad words, because when you write you necessarily do it so that they read you, and if whoever reads, only finds unpleasant things, what do you expect me to answer?
Regards!
Byes @Ravenman, you too be happy. : P. Are we on the PlanetaLinux list? uu: P
Operating systems are a tool that should be the exclusive preserve of engineers. A person who does not know about this should not play with such complex software.
End users should use systems that start applications that allow them to do things, but without knowing that underneath there is a much more complex program that they are unaware of. Something like what mobile phones are.
The day this is achieved, computing will differentiate users from professionals and we will not have discussions like these.
Now that I notice, there is a typo, where it says "Alt + F2" should say "Ctrl + Alt + F2" ... I was talking about opening tty2 instead of using the graphic terminal (window)
no wonder so much misunderstanding with that.
Acipe, I don't contradict myself, you can't read =)
Before "use the console" it says "for everything." In other words, I'll explain it to you since you can't understand it ... it refers to the one who uses the console FOR EVERYTHING ... not to those who "use (we use) the console"
Do you understand the difference?
Instead of learning to use a unix they want to convert it into windows, so we go; I was a Windows user until recently and I realized how badly I had learned to use an operating system, because the system was a shit; just from XP they start to get a little serious because things are going to hell, using the administrator account for everything, defragmenting, etc. It's going to hurt a bit, but Microsoft is going to make it soft.
PS: It seems they have made a good selection in LXA, you are like a skinny fish in water. Greetings and congratulations for the 89 comments.
Almost totally agree with what you have said; The only thing I differ is Debian GNU / Linux ... I would recommend Arch Linux: http://oswatershed.org/.
Excellent ... splat, splat, splat ... (ovation).
I support the motion of censure against TontUntu and the article.
Of course, this is one of those that the standards go through where it can; goodbye freedom and welcome to the mechanisms that make one thing incompatible for you to buy another (which is probably from a corporation to which you must pay rights). Freedom is not valued only by those who have never lost it. If Intr0 is sick for asking for compliance with standards, you are completely ignorant on the same subject ... what will be worse?
You have made me take my hat off to your forceful, precise and argued answer. (Ovation)
This blog is very funny to me, all those who do not think like its creators are treated as trolls.
Regarding the post, I completely disagree with the author, I would lose more information and then speak, because it does not show that you know much about the matter.
Regarding the blog, if instead of criticizing they dedicate themselves to doing something useful. Well, most of the posts have little relevance and contribute very little to the community. A pity that there are blogs for flamewars like these.
regards
easty, so don't criticize the only people who are involved with the development of the system. I was particularly offended by this post. And currently… I am engaged in the development of a netfilter module for Linux. So this type of user that you criticize is the same type of user that makes it possible for you to play with Linux, WordPress, IPTables, MPlayer and others. The theme is based solely on respect for others, which you clearly do not do. And about Ubuntu, such a statement leaves many doubts ...
regards
@esty: as you can see that you are a useless and ignorant pretentious man with a know-it-all fool to "self-criticize" (but about everyone else's) and this half-hair blog should be removed from the PlanetaLinux link list.
God has nothing to do with this and I post 5 or more comments if I feel like it and it seems; If it seems like a waste of resource, you should criticize yourself and stop posting opinions of losers that only lead to confusion and useless discussions. As I told you before in other posts: "Take responsibility in what you publish."
I invite the colleagues of the Free Software Community not to return to this site that does nothing but generate a bad image about our knowledge and efforts and ironically says addicted to one of the pieces of one of the best operating systems: GNU /Linux.
clap clap clap Raveman! this place is pure basophy.
If you consider yourself an end user, be happy using paintbrush, solitaire, word, and whatever shit you can think of, it turns out that not all of us are like you and even without being engineers we know what an operating system is and we can modify it, if you had the level intellectual suitable for a discussion like this, you would learn not to underestimate users and stop talking stupid things, why don't you keep your opinion that it has nothing to do with it?
Long live the nonsense flames hahahahahaha
Mr. BOFH and Mr. Lusers will never be able to agree.
This comment definitely proves that you are completely ignorant of what a standard is.
Thanks to people like you, the term "Technicoless" had to be invented ...
N3RI I can't read? I think you can't write!
Best step to withdraw because it is not good to lower yourself to levels like yours!
Greetings and enjoy your fucking cube.
That's how esty. And there is one of the scenarios that you mention that irritates me especially. The one of:
1. New user steps on Linux community ground for the first time and asks how to do something
2. The first answer is several commands to get it
Please sociopaths, please stick your commands up your ass. You don't want to realize that just as the user reads a command, he calls his trusted pringao to reinstall Windows. And no, do not try to get him to go to your side, to know how the computer works to be able to use it. Or did someone ask you to study telecommunications to watch TV or talk on your mobile?
And don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that commands are inherently good or bad; nothing is. But I am saying that they do not adapt at all well to the context of use by 97% of users.
excellent post ... it is very true, I have been using linux for almost a year ... but I know old linuxers ... and the truth is, ubuntu makes it easy to use the computer in all aspects ... and if you think it is so unworthy, first think that it is the biggest magnet for new linuxers that almost always migrate from window $ ...
regards
The post was funny, the title inspired me that it was going to be about something different. (I heard some watching videos through the console)
I will agree only with the minority that emphasized that LUGs are places to look for information, when you look for info on the internet the least you want to do is waste time reading comments on the back with unnecessary faces and emphasis.
It hurts for you, and it hurts that people like you "belong" to the "linux" user community
Too bad for these people who only think that the spread and development of computing will remain in the hands of computer scientists. I believe that GNU / Linux is a free tool, and being free means that anyone who wants to use it can do so.
I am not going to exclude all Linux users who use the computer to send emails or watch YouTube videos, welcome. Anyway ... many of us work for them;)
Whoever did not use windows once in his life to cast the first stone. And if someone throws a stone, you shouldn't criticize windows without knowing what it is.
And as a final note ... keep writing in plain text, it's annoying to see the
&Xacute;everywhere.Totally agree, I have discussions everywhere with these types of users ...
They are the ones who paint Linux as something closed and geek ... when it has not been like that for a long time.
I am something like an evangelizer, I show the possibilities to friends and clients ... and they know what? in the end they end up staying with linux .. for ease of use.
Applause for this post, I really am glad the informal and sincere tone.
And one of these days someone is going to have to publish a guide on "How to give intelligent answers" or "How not to show your idiocy when answering"
I stopped reading with the html emails; there I realized that you are an idiot.
the main reason why it is not recommended to use html in lists is: archived.
If you took the time to do some research, you would see that:
- there is no standard for multipart / mimes. which means that it is not possible to know where each part of an email "enriched" with html begins and ends
- given the above fact, it is impossible to efficiently separate the plain text (if it was included) from the message
- consequently an html message file to list looks like:
Hello everybody. I have a problem
- 2031029473742342308423.
Hello everybody. I have a problem
- 2031029473742342308423 -
Easy to read? Not
Cheap to archive? Not
I did not finish reading the text. I did not read all the comments. But I read between the lines, and I hope that will do the trick.
The netiquette is perfect, and I'm not going to justify myself, because I don't need it. I fully agree that using html in a mailing list is a NO. However, I fully agree that using plain text for personal purposes is sheer nonsense. There are ways to write, characters, indirect, to give a second message, without using rich text. Imagination counts.
Regarding GNOME-Do, I must tell you that you screwed up:
ps aux|grep USER |grep -vi grep;ps aux|grep -i gnome-do|grep -vi grepUSER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
hikaru 3795 0.0 0.0 1872 512 ? S 15:31 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/gnome-do
hikaru 3804 0.0 1.4 57028 29132 ? Sl 15:31 0:03 /usr/bin/cli /usr/lib/gnome-do/Do.exe
Do.exe? I don't want to have win32 executables on my pc. Thanks :)
I have been using Linux for 6 years but nevertheless I have friends who have used it for more than 15 years, and I can say that the fact that the command line is used to execute programs does not imply being old, but simply implies a way of working that can even make an error more quickly detectable. In addition, the grace of GNU / LINUX is that everything can be customized as one would like, understanding what it does, because otherwise we would be in the presence of an OS in the best style of Bill. That is the joke of the penguin, that everyone can use it as they want, without having to lock the user in text or graphic mode.
I use GNU / LINUX and MS, and in both the text mode has a preponderant importance.
The problem that you raise is the problem that users have who got used to the windows and who say that Fedora is beautiful because of the colored bar it has.
Well, you fell into the same thing that you criticize, who wants to use mount, or mailing lists, is it your problem?
N3RI you fell into the wolf's mouth.
What I mean by this?
That your minimum guesses may be somewhat valid but not with a community that surpasses you on issue.
Regards!
Partly true partly false, I read some comments with which I agree, the level of GNU / Linux users is declining lately, it is unfortunate but true, if you want to do everything graphically it is fine, but it would not be better than return to your windows ?, because because of those users you have to go in the same direction of that Operating System? Although it is true that you cannot force others to use the console, it is more true that if you want to know that you are even doing the work of learning the minimum essential of that console that you despise so much, it seems to me that in a few years We will have users identical to those of the window swarming the network, it is unfortunate.
If the future of GNU / Linux and its freedom is to be like Winpuff, I prefer to be caught in good stead.
How bad we are. I have been using GNU / Linux for more than ten years and then almost everything was done with the console. But times have changed and one is adapting to the comforts and progress of the system. Generally, the elderly resist change and use their favorite tactic, disqualification: "I work in the old way because it's better, now they don't know anything." This is the case in all areas of life, not only in computing. They talk about contributions to the Free Software community, standards, archaic norms and I assure you that NONE of those who commented in this post is capable of writing a single line of code (nbense your "theory" about storing in lists of mail is the product of drugs). They only repeat what they read on Wikipedia and the occasional "specialized" blog (with Firefox of course). They also talk about Free Software, freedom and ask for a post to be sensed… .in short. I didn't like the tone of the original post, but the comments… Mommy, we're in the oven. With this level we will never pass 2%.
And how did that come out then if you don't have it? XD
Just to add to the comments, it feels ugly that those of us who use ubuntu because we are running away from windows tell us "Ubuntu is a distribution for underfunded beings who do not know how to add 2 + 2." sp0l said it, I thought that part of GNU / Linux thinking was to be free and choose what is best for each one and therefore it was something respectable and when using the console here I can say that the taste is broken in gender in the personal is difficult for me since I come from a system in which it is practically not used.
good luck and long live the true spirit of the founders of GNU / Linux
Haven't you thought a bit about those who helped write the system so that you can enjoy it the way you do today? We traditionally do it our way, we are old school and we suck so much from ranting people like you that we also take the time to create the way you are going to use it and that bit of losers to create some quakers using Ubuntu. So leave us alone.
Use a real distro, use real Linux, install Gentoo, Debian, I even let you use fedora because those guys are crazy putting virtual and emotionally stupid users like you on the edge of the select line of innovation so they'll know what They are made very big sissies, they cannot retain an orgasm after doing an ALT + F3 because they use Bubuntu and they think they are 100 years ahead of Windows. Fags drink a lot of coffee and thank you having time to fuck your wife because we barely had time to fuck your mother and bring you into the world with a computer under our arms, huge guevones.
Surely the salami has its name in H1 as its signature in 6 different colors. Please don't blog anymore.
As always… .. criticism of linux by a linuxer always arouses the worst in the Taliban. N3RI ... you don't deserve to use Linux ... you are an embarrassment to this honorable breed: P
Too bad you find people as stupid as the author of this note. It would be convenient to install Windows 7. Oh and Ubuntu suck !.
For me, keep insulting all you want ad infinitum (or I kept insulting, because I get the feeling that many comments were left by a single person who is also doing the same on my blog)
I am not bothered by what an absolute stranger can say about me
… They only confirm what the text says.
N3Ri: - be pedantic and sarcastic, that's what happens when you never put it on or when the last women you had sex with were called "Jpeg" and "Avi"
Acipe: go to hell with your two clicks that if you are only an end user, your opinion is overflowing!
- I think it's time for you to stop writing bolude »C» es
People if we respect each other a little more and avoid certain unfortunate expressions like the previous ones? That is how it is difficult for a community to progress. RESPECT first of all please!
Regards!
N3ri you're pathetic pseudo juaker =) Linux is not for you, didn't you think about it?
a bit off-topic but the father of the (Mexican) country you are referring to is Miguel Hidalgo and the one with the famous phrase about respecting the rights of others is Don Benito Juárez, only about fifty years apart
Although I really like Linux and free software, I think we must all accept reality.
At this time it does not matter if KDE XP or GNOME Milenium comes out. When Linux had a chance to gain some market share on the desktop, it wasted time and effort duplicating work already done. If KDE and GNOME had worked shoulder to shoulder to give Linux a desktop environment, we would surely have a decent graphical user interface. But instead we have two mediocre attempts that cannot be used unless you have 1Gb of RAM and all the time in the world to configure the screen saver.
While both teams fought childishly, Microsoft solidified its position as the leader in the office computing market by giving users what they asked for: an intuitive graphical user interface that allows them to be productive without having to memorize the manual (Big as a Bible !) from vi or from TeX.
And not only that, M $ also brought the ease of use and efficiency that characterizes its products to servers with the new Internet-oriented operating system Windows 2000. This has as a result that as companies increase their productivity and profits; UNIX and Linux are fleeing in disarray to other markets.
How is it possible for corporations not to use Windows 2000 instead of other shareware solutions? Any executive knows that in the long run cheap is expensive. Through careful analysis, numerous studies have shown that the total cost of ownership is higher in Linux and UNIX systems, mainly due to the lack of standard training and certification systems for the personnel who operate these platforms.
As we recently learned, the National Autonomous University of Mexico will follow Microsoft's innovative .NET initiative, followed by others in other countries. There is even the possibility that the field of open source software will be invaded using semi-free projects such as Trojan horses, as is the case with Mono and DotGNU.
All of this sends the message that while free software has its place, it is certainly not on the production servers of major corporations, and even less in research and learning centers, that the technologies of the future are being tested today.
If Linux and free software in general do not fight to democratize its use for the bulk of the population, we will soon see the vision of the computing world shared by Bill Gate $, Richardo Stalinmal, Steve Yobs, among others, come true: A where do you want me to give you permission to go today?
Thanks for your attention.
Hello dear writer, I will tell you my particular case, I agree a lot with you, but, it seems to me that the main idea, for example in the case of "plain text mail", the idea is that everyone can receive and read them without complications, since this is compatible with new and old versions of mail clients, and I also share your opinion regarding the reprimands that are received in the lists and the bad way they do it, but you have to understand the poor unhappy, that They have insulted him when I enter the list and he has to remain silent until a newer one appears to insult and is downloaded because he does not dare to do it with the older ones (what retrograde thought), and to finish, I'll tell you It is nostalgic to use the update manager and I always prefer "apt-get update", but anyway I do not deprive myself of the new and beautiful things that linux has, very good post, greetings and good luck
Dear that it is good that there is freedom of expression, but it is also good that people find out before speaking, because in many places in the world the government is starting to use Linux (do you know why?, For the simple fact: they know what what does your pc do and does not crash), as well as how the largest and most powerful servers in the world use it and the people who want a pc that works well at home and do not have to reinstall it every 3 months (because it is full of garbage and it is faster to see the grass grow than to start windows), they use it, and to top it off I don't know what you mean by «Decent Interface», for me some transparencies or opening effects stolen from «Compiz» do not seem to me that make a desk more or less decent.
heh heh, I know examples that contradict this
tuxis have you been in this free software nerd recently?
Counting one and adding ...
You're right, there are people who are very pedantic and think they know a lot about something.
Why the aggression? why not better an invitation to try something better than ubuntu, give me arguments motivates people and not only criticize, if I use ubuntu is because, that is recommended in the forums and then take a step to (his father) Debian and what of guevones and others believe me that in my case it does not apply and for using ubuntu I do not think that I already know everything about linux you will know everything about linux but as a person I imagine you are….
You're right, Linux is not Ubuntu, which is one of the distros for which it is gaining popularity is different, and the article was good for me until I read that ahggg ... there, you spent it.
I liked the article until I read "the present of Linux is Ubuntu".
As you are angry with Linux users who live in the past, I am angry with people who believe that Ubuntu invented everything.
You just have to try more established distros like Mandriva to realize its ease of use and efficiency.
LINUX IS NOT UBUNTU.
I invite you to try other distros such as Mandriva, OpenSuse, etc. and you will realize what I tell you.
Or did so much publicity for Canonical brainwash much of the Linux community?
Ubuntu is not bad, it is more, it is one of the best, but to maintain that it is the present of Linux ...
Greetings.
Support for Francisco and several previous ones. Very good article, but Ubuntu is not everything ... in fact I am somewhat against this distro because lately they focus on the part of "a new version every 6 months", which sometimes causes versions with a lot of bugs (8.xx ). I currently use CentOS and Mandriva for work and Debian for leisure and on my lap… Outside of that, great note!
hehe xD hold out for you N3ri, but baaah then I'm a fucking linux player from the past but it's worth your contribution, as I tell you I use MUTT xD…. Greetings and chevere k give your opinions I have also been with the great world for years the SOFT LIBRE
I work in a company where we manage a large number of linux servers, obviously our distros are Linux and much to your regret and that "ubunter" idea that using the console is too much, I think you are living in a very big error. The console saves you from using more than 10 commands in a text editor, spreadsheet etc.
But in truth, what really bothers is the false idea that ubuntu is the present of linux, as well as a super expert that you say you are, you know perfectly well that its development comes from DEBIAN and that they only make up. It is a shame that a linux pseudo user writes that way, we are free to choose the OS that we want, but it does not give you the right that for your 10 years -which does not tell me anything- you believe that you know everything and have the Obligation to say that it is right or wrong.
«It is a shame that a linux pseudo user writes that way, we are free to choose the OS that we want, but it does not give you the right that for your 10 years -which does not tell me anything- you think you know everything and you have the obligation to say that it is right or wrong. "
"Pseudo user" sounded somewhat derogatory ... the most curious thing is that this is exactly what the article is about.
The lack of sex around here is terrible ...
So ... I don't understand anymore. I will have to go back to window $ because I am despised for using Ubuntu, since I am also an average user, who does not contribute anything (I only bring problems to the community) and therefore I am a cancer.
I am not in favor of everything that N3RI says, much less the tone used that in a certain way offended many people, since the comments made me realize that he was wrong both in his arguments and in his way of expressing them, but I share his frustration at the bad treatment we sometimes receive from the kind of people he refers to.
N3ri and average users, the cancer that is killing Linux.
Che and Cristina y Cobos, what do they think?
heh heh heh heh
ole and this I wrote in plain text XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
like any discussion of this style, it all depends on points of view. Also the prestige that the usr wants to earn ... for my part I feel comfortable in the console, I use the standard that seems appropriate for each environment. but what I mean by this is there are things that by automating you lose control ... I only have that against the "new" ...
success .. good article nice debate
I don't know what I would do without the console.
10 years ... sure.
I still use mount XD
and what's up fell in love with ubuntu or what? XD
debian rlz.
could you please correct the typo? Where it says "Alt + F2" it should say "Ctrl + Alt + F2"
It gives confusion. Thanks.
I can already imagine these ñulinux fundamentalists arriving at an office and lamenting that they cannot plug the notebook into a power source because the plugs do not meet ISO standards as they are set at the wrong height.
Very good post.
I agree with most things, and although I still use the console for various things, I use guake or Yakuake. I did not read all the comments, but I suppose the "old-school Linux" will come to complain. Really, the mailing-lists are not the best way to get help, a forum is always better (of course, if you did not find a blog that said how to do what you need to do), but as you say you have to be very aware of the date of the post.
Greetings to modern linux users.
PS: To the madman who commented that we return windows linux, I invite you to use LFS, to see if it is true that you use linux.
Well, in my case I have missed the opportunity to participate in discussion forums because the happy server rejects the messages in HTML and they automatically respond as:
"Surely your mail server thinks you have sent a message but ..." and then a whole lot about plain text against html ... "Die outlook!"
But if I do not use outlook and my mail service does not have anywhere the option to only send text.
The immediate effect is that I am denied participation in said forum where I can only receive questions and observe the responses of others, but I cannot participate.
Isn't that they don't consider my feelings (now hurt)?
Nor could I share my knowledge, nor keep the discussion at a healthy level, I simply could not participate (rule 1, 6, and 7 at least).
So with the nettiqueta violated in pursuit of the same nettiqueta, I simply go wherever they want me.
I didn't even put weird faces, colors or fonts. My attempt to participate was a simple text but it comes to them in a different format. But I can't help it, there are simply network services that don't have those options backwards, no way!
If you join a mailing list, instead of imposing your rules, you should stick to them.
If they had already established, for whatever reason, the use of plain text mails, and you enter the mail list for the first time, you should respect the norm, and not get there in plan «well I keep sending it in html because I get out of my eggs », I don't see that well ..
@Juan Carlos: What email client do you use? In Thunderbird for example, if this is your case, look in the "Edit -> Preferences" menu, click on the "Compose" tab and in the "General" sub-tab click on the "Shipping Options" button.
On this screen, choose the option "Convert message to plain text" in the upper section, and in the lower section, click on the "Plain text domains" tab and press the add button.
In the dialog box that appears, add the domain of the email address of the people you know who only read plain text. for example, if one's email is pepe@eldominiodepepe.com then in this box you only have to write: eldominiodepepe.com
That is all
I did not think that there were such selfish people in the linux community that because they only use consoles they think they are the best, I particularly use the console and the mouse makes no sense to use the console to enter forefox if you have it in the panel but if I see it sense to use it to install a package each one as they want…. I do not understand at all because there are people who get upset because there is a distro with friendly graphic environments and because of the existence of newbies in Linux or perhaps those who were born here using the console or they never learned it ... There is a certain selfishness xq the community grows (you should not be happy) and makes them through distro like ubuntu, mandriva and mint ..
A very interesting entry
That a person who always uses the terminal criticizes another for using a friendly graphical environment is an action that can only come from an ignorant inept.
The same happens when a person who uses a friendly graphical environment criticizes another for using only a terminal.
Linux is diversity, everyone who uses what they want. It should not matter, but show that everyone can do what they want with this operating system.
Let each one use whatever they want ... AT HOME. But on a mailing list ... there are many users, and therefore you have to adhere to a regulation. And if the regulations say no HTML, it is followed ... and thus all users are respected.
If in a forum users are required to write only with HTML, then it is complied with.
You cannot go to a place and not respect the rules.
I am not in favor of those users who respond with sarcasm, whether they are terminal users or graphical environment users.
Personally, I have gone over time from a graphical environment to a terminal environment ... and when someone tells me they want to learn, the first thing I do is put a friendly graphical environment on it. When something else dominates. I show you options, and you choose the one you want.
Because that is GNU / Linux: freedom.
I'm already sick of users who don't know how to use the terminal criticize those who do, and users who don't want graphics get angry because someone uses them.
That is simple ignorance.
a greeting
THE PEDANTRY of the linuxero goes beyond I think. For me it is essential to have an open mind and look at things from the most objective point possible. I have had Win and Linux on the same computer for quite some time, and the truth is, I have hardly opened Linux at all, because when you start looking for professional programs, you only find underpro software. I don't care about the reasons, the case is that if you want to do a project, as long as you don't go through windows, you have it clear. For example, I know Max3D, Maya, Blender, Joudini, UnrealEngine, SandBox, ChromEd and Unity, because in Linux you will only be able to use UEd in painful versions, Blender and Unity (something is something). The point is that I can't settle for "something", and even less if I can have it all.
What makes a system good is not the system, but the programs you can use, at least that is what I believe and that is what I see in practice.
AND IS NOT YOURS PEDANTRY?
Generalize saying "linuxeros", when thousands or millions of people are part of the community directly or indirectly, and they vary a lot ideologically from each other.
I would like to know if you really have an original Windows license, or are you just one of those stupid people who believe they have the right not to pay a peso for it (for you to develop it is free), and despite everything they believe they are defenders of Microsoft.
Does having an open mind mean only using Private Software, which only those who have economic possibilities can afford it, and even so, they cannot know what the hell the code of each program has (famous are the backdors that have systems like Windows, that collect information that we do not know about the computers that use it).
"The point is that I can't settle for 'something', and even less if I can have it all." said. All right, and how do you think you "have it all." I don't think you pay the license for each Private and paid program that you use, therefore, you are a loyal little pirate who only knows how to download cracks and serials from farting pages, download programs infected with Trojans (and don't tell me that just passing them an antivirus to know if they have malicious code or not), falling into the work carried out by the programmers of each OS (yes, Private Software needs to employ people and pay them a salary, and that's how you shit on them, since «The case is that I cannot settle for “something”, and less if I can have it all. «, and then you are not capable of using Free and / or Free alternatives, which in many cases do the same or more than equivalent payments.
By the way, if you have the need to run Windows programs so much (that their support on Linux / Unix does not depend on these systems, but on the one created by Soft, or perhaps you don't know that the vast majority of servers and systems research use Unix-Based systems), you can use programs like Wine (which works with many programs) or use a virtual machine, or simply a dual-boot, rebooting to change OS when necessary.
Meanwhile, I continued to hack and defame a community in which many of us collaborate for a common good, which is to use systems that respect the freedom of their users. Maybe your "payment" to Microsoft for their pirated products is to lick their boots.
Greetings.
You see ... not that I defend Robin but you already assumed that he uses pirated software because he uses proprietary programs. In fact he is saying that he has both operating systems installed, but that there are programs that he needs to run in Windows and if it is more practical for him to do so, you do not have to offend him in this way since I have been in his place and he is right, there are many programs that only run on Windows or OSX, or that are proprietary and that are much better than some free ones or that you have to use them because of the place where you work. So three tips: learn to read! Don't just close yourself to your world of needs and learn to respect !!!
You may be right, but partially, since "THE PEDANTRY of linuxero goes further, I think" it seems to me that it is putting everyone in a bag. I am a "linuxero" and I know quite a few people who are, either virtually or personally, and by telling us that we are being attacked. If you start with such a general aggression, you cannot expect much respect.
Thanks for commenting, it's good to discuss these things, that's how you exchange and learn;)
It does not speak well of the author of this blog, who selects which comments to leave and which to delete. I had written one and they deleted it. Definitely the interest of the blog was simply to provoke fanaticism with an argument, also she, that of the author, fanatic and obtuse
I find this good article late. Well, more than anything I wanted to contribute my point of view based on my experiences. I have been using GNU / Linux for 8 years and I help new ones whenever I can, without ironies.
At the beginning I had no idea about how to install a program, and my first distro was Debian 6 (I think I remember). I found that it had no audio, no 3D acceleration drivers ... I had to install everything manually. There I learned a little. When I had to format it after having "broken" several things, I wanted to experiment with Ubuntu and it was a big surprise: a system with everything already prepared and installed to start doing what I want.
And that was very good. But years later I switched to web programming and I got used to working (programming) with a black background and white text, which is better for my eyes, my eyes are less tiring. And being honest with my past, I had already worked on 2D CAD drawing design (also black background and colored lines). I found myself comfortable programming with the black background, both in NetBeans and in Sublime Text.
So much so, that I found some taste in using the terminal, for several reasons: Bash is very useful for me to be productive in various tasks, and in fact I even changed Bash to Zsh because it has faster keyboard shortcuts. What's more, I designed my own Zsh theme because I already used it on a daily basis.
From then on, I also became obsessed with consuming RAM. And it is not that it has little, although not much: 4 GiB. I use Ubuntu with KDE, which has a very nice graphical interface and also uses the Qt4 / 5 libraries, which I like a lot. The system itself consumes me, initially, less than 300 MiB.
I have gotten used to using the KDE terminal (Konsole) with a multiplexer configured to my liking (tmux), with a very easy to use music player (cmus), with an IRC client with which I can enter several networks and use the correct encoding for each (irssi), Zsh to perform tasks in bash and any command you may need (convert, sed, par, sort, tree, cloc, apt-get, JavaScript interpreters, such as node, or the of Python, PHP, C / C ++ compiler called gcc, debug with gdb) and a magnificent editor (Vim) with plugins of all kinds (to navigate files, to comment with commands, to see version control with Git while editing the file, and more things that I am going to put). All this as a programming device in a fluid, fast way and without having to use the mouse.
It is a hobby. I enjoy it. Love it. I have everything integrated into the terminal and that makes me happy. And not only that, but I have it all in a repo on Github, set up with Stow, so that I can clone it and sync all the settings on any other machine (Stow allows me to automatically create the symbolic links in each corresponding directory).
What's more, in all these programs I use the same color scheme with a palette of 16 colors that I calculated in order to stabilize the contrast by calculating the perceived brightness and make the colors very differentiable for the human eye by separating the hue of each color with the same angle of the RGB color wheel. For this I implemented several algorithms that allowed me to determine the most optimal colors so as not to strain my eyes. Then, from the same terminal, I uploaded it to the official repository on Github.
Of course, when I have to use the graphic mode, I am happy to use the mouse to design with Inkscape, to retouch photos with Gimp and to use all the graphical interfaces of KDE, with their effects, their tools and all their potential. I admit that I would not be happy without a graphic environment.
There are days when I like to have the comfort of not having to use the mouse. All with shortcuts and commands. And there are days when the mouse is a great ally for other types of tasks, which is also precision, gaming, with a soft mouse pad. I only need a mechanical keyboard to enjoy the keys at the same level: D
Good afternoon, I know that some people when they read this will want to disappear from me, but I do it because I have the need to express what I feel with Linux.
I have always used windows and on 4 or 5 occasions I have installed linux on my PCs, but I always end up going back because I find a wall that is quite difficult to pass and it is the installation of programs, drivers, etc.
I just reinstalled kubuntu and I have a Wi-Fi card that I've been trying to install for 3 days to use my pc but it has been absolutely impossible. It is most absurd to install something on linux.
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